Ladder bars.

September 10, 2009 · Print This Article

Why not a four link?

I am a big fan of ladder bars. For the majority of racers out there a ladder bar will do everything they require. But a four link is better, I hear this all the time, and yes in some perspectives a four link is a much better drag racing rear suspension setup. The biggest advantage to a four link is it’s adjust-ability.  This can be a great advantage. . .  if you know how to adjust it. When I look around the track, I see very few people adjusting their four links. Generally what I see are four links that have been setup, either by someone who knows how to tune them, or after a certain amount of aggravation, or “that’s how I bought the car, and I am not going to touch it ’cause it is working just fine the way it is”., and because the car is going straight, and running consistent, the owner leaves it alone.

The problem with a four link is that very few people have spent the time to work out how to make adjustments. I am not going to get into how to adjust a four link here, but I will tell you that the procedure starts when the car is being built. The chassis builder should have given you a chart of instant centres. If you don’t have one, you need to get one. You can generate one yourself. There are computer programs you can buy that make it easier, or you can do it the old fashioned way on the floor. I have done both. I now have a computer program I find reasonably easy to use although it does not allow for as many holes as we are using in newer four link setups, so I have to run the program twice. Once you have your instant centre chart, you then need some sort of preload reference. How much weight, does a quarter turn on the bar add, or subtract, form each corner. Of course this will change with a change in instant centre, so if you change bar locations, you then need to know the preload adjustments for that location. The point I am trying to make here is that although a four link is a great rear suspension setup, the adjustment procedure is too involved many drag racers. They generally get it working, then never adjust it.

If that is going to be the case, why not use a ladder bar then? A ladder bar generally has three choices for instant centre, and you can see them all on the car, you don’t need a chart. Preload can be set with a ruler if you want, although I do prefer to weigh the car so I have a reference point for preload adjustments. Often, unless it is a very high horsepower car, little or no preload is required with a ladder bar.

Ladder bars do take up a little more space forward in the chassis, if you are building a car with a lot of rearward driver position it can be a challenge to get a long enough bar in the car.

One of the cars I am currently building is a ladder bar setup. It is a very short wheelbase at 100.5 inches, so getting bars in there can be done. This one is interesting in that the owner wanted to use his rear axle housing which was already setup for a four link. It has a range of holes on the axle housing that could be used, and they are not in the usual location for a ladder bar. I had to get creative. One problem the typical ladder bar has is because of the angle of the two bars, as soon as you adjust the rear of the bar for pinion angle, the hole spacing changes, causing a side load on the rod ends, this is not good at all. It can also cause a certain amount of stress and cursing when trying to install the bars after making an adjustment.

For this car, I wanted to take advantage of the range of holes in the housing. I accomplished this by putting a pivot in the top tube, allowing the hole spacing at the rear to be adjustable. This solves two problems, first there is now no side loading on the rear rod ends after adjustment, and second, because I made the top bar adjustable, pinion angle can be changed very easily. Now that I have built these bars, I wouldn’t build them any other way. They are a little more expensive, but worth it. They offer a large range of adjust-ability, without the confusion of a four link. They are very strong, with large diameter thick wall 4130 tubing. And they can be built to suit any set of brackets you may already have.

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Since I published this post a few days ago, it is interesting to note that people are finding it when searching “how to adjust four links”. I will compose an in depth look at how to adjust a four link suspension for future post. It may take a while so check back often. If you have any specific questions concerning your setup, my email is on my contacts page.

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4 Responses to “Ladder bars.”

  1. boyd onnen on May 30th, 2010 3:18 pm

    i have a question about a2500 lb 72 vega 4 link car. i purchased a rolling chassis put in my motor and trans. it shakes side to side in the back on decelaration almost to the point of being scary. any suggestions

  2. Jim on May 30th, 2010 8:46 pm

    Hi Boyd,
    Without seeing your car, I would start by checking to make sure you have some sort of track locater, a wishbone or panhard bar. Next thing to check is the shocks and make sure they are working correctly. Beyond that I will need much more info about your car and maybe some photos or video of the car shaking.

  3. tim heiges on June 1st, 2010 9:12 am

    i have a question about adjusting preload on ladder bar setup with no adjusters. the car is lifting the left front about a foot higher than the right. not sure if i have the right # springs on the rear. i have 130#. you said something about setting preload with a ruler? here are the weights with driver. LF 907# RF842# LR770# RR 710#. thank you

  4. Jim on June 1st, 2010 1:06 pm

    Tim,
    adjusting a ladder bar without adjusters is just a bit more work as you need to remove the ladder bar from the brackets to make the adjustment. In your case, remove the right hand upper rod end bolt from the brackets on the axle housing, set the axle square and centered in the chassis on the rear lower rod ends, and your wishbone or panhard bar. Next set your pinion angle with the top left rod end, this is a little more difficult as you have to remove the bar for each adjustment change, but take your time and make it right. I usually remove the bars totally first, and make sure all the rod ends turn freely in the threads, lubricate them, and make sure all the bolts go in and out of all the holes nicely so there is no fighting with anything under the car. now that you are all set there, pinion angle, centered, and square, adjust the right hand upper rod end so the bolt just slides in through the brackets on the rear axle housing. This is zero preload.
    Now, based the corner weights you supplied here, I would be aiming to reverse the rear wheel weights, about 50 to a hundred pounds more on the right rear than on the left rear, this will push the left front down on launch, (or depending on how you look at it lift the right front more than it is being lifted now). You can add this extra weight by removing the bolt in the right upper rod end on the axle housing, now jack that side of the chassis up, I usually put the jack near the front ladder bar mount on that side, adjust the right upper rod end in, (making the upper bar on the ladder bar shorter), start with one turn and see what your weights are. If you release the jack fully you will not be able to get the bolt back in the holes, you will need to jack the chassis up on that side to get the bolt back in. If you are using a ruler to check your preload, and this is very rough as every car is different, you will find the right side of the body about half and inch or so higher than the left, with a bit of preload. I usually give my customers a measurement so they can at least get it close if they have felt the need to make changes without scales. If you have access to scales, and the time, make a chart of how much weight each half turn on your right upper rod end adds or removes. Then you can make adjustments at the track without scales knowing which way you are going and how much you are changing.
    Last, if you are using an anti-roll bar, after you have set the preload on your ladder bars, set the anti-roll bar to zero preload.
    As for your springs, 130# seems pretty light for a 3200# car, but using as light a spring as possible, and having the spring pads screwed way up to compress the springs gives you lots of kinetic, (stored) energy in the spring to aid in chassis separation, as long as the springs are not coil binding on bumps, and you are not experiencing any porpoising between the front and rear spring rates I would guess there is not a lot to be gained by changing springs at this point.
    Jim

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